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05 April 2010 @ 03:02 am
Don't Worry, He Paid Good Money For This.  

Ya know, I've often been told that I don't draw like a girl. My first encounter with this is when I was fourteen when a woman, a friend's mother, picked up a drawing of a drooling, disgusting monster (I drew a lot of monsters back then, still do I guess), not knowing who had done it, upon finding out that I had drawn it she exclaimed, "A girl drew this? A GIRL drew this?!"

I wasn't offended by this at all, just a bit confused. How was art by a girl supposed to look? Or on the flip side what makes art "masculine"? Should art have a gender? I've had my art judged differently once the viewer found out it was created by a female, work they deemed sexist suddenly became ironic. Is it possible to separate the artist from their work? Bah, these are question I've been asking my whole life and I'm still no closer to an answer.

Has anybody else out there had a similar experience? Have any ladies out there surprised people with their artistic prowess? Any guys out there suffer from mistaken art-gender identity? I know my husband, Robin, has disappointed a few people when they discovered he wasn't a girl drawing extreme porn.
jasonturnerjasonturner on April 5th, 2010 07:01 pm (UTC)
I have had people say they were surprised that True Loves was drawn by a guy. Maybe because of the clothes?
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 5th, 2010 10:11 pm (UTC)
I think it has to do with the relationships. Relationships are for girls, doncha know.
placesforfaces on April 5th, 2010 07:16 pm (UTC)
I've get comments every so often from people saying that I "draw well for a girl," or that I'm "funny for a girl". I know they don't mean it to be rude, but it always bothers me. I've had a lot of strange encounters in the work environment too- some problems with bullying that had to do with my being a girl. Not fun. You'd think that by now that that type of behavior would be uncommon.

Also, this drawing is beautiful! I love her expression and the cool dead beastie head!
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 5th, 2010 10:32 pm (UTC)
Thanks Katie, yer the best.

I've had people assume that I was a lesbian, because of the way I draw, it doesn't bother me, but that's a pretty specific assumption.

Sorry to hear about your bulling instances. Animation can really be an "Old-Boys-Club" sometimes. The guys joke around and say things that guys do, and that never really bothered me. However, sometimes a comment would come out that came from a more hurtful place and was designed to ostracize.
(no subject) - placesforfaces on April 9th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC) (Expand)
tony_clifftony_cliff on April 5th, 2010 07:52 pm (UTC)
We should make a game out of it! Get X number of drawings from unknown artists (or obscure work) and turn it into a competition.
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 5th, 2010 10:33 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that could be interesting.
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Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 03:21 am (UTC)
HA! Maybe he thought it was game and that he was going to win a prize or something.
sean estymr_esty on April 6th, 2010 12:08 am (UTC)
Sometimes people think my handwriting is feminine; I was at a production meeting once (for a show I did some board revisions on) and my notes were all hand-written, and the guys in New York on the conference call were all convinced "Sean" must be a girl.

It has never come up with my drawing though.

related: I used to think Andi Watson was a lady based on his art.
mike_myhremike_myhre on April 6th, 2010 12:17 am (UTC)
Re: Andi Watson: me too. I like it though, it's really grown on me in recent years.
(no subject) - r_dart on April 6th, 2010 03:27 am (UTC) (Expand)
mike_myhremike_myhre on April 6th, 2010 12:16 am (UTC)
Faaaaaaaaantastic as always, Berretta!
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 03:28 am (UTC)
Thank you, Michael!
Chairman Mao: Brush Your Teethstablercake on April 6th, 2010 12:17 am (UTC)
I've had many many people look at me like I've got three heads when I tell them I've drawn the things I've drawn. I had an art fair once where multiple people asked me where the artist was and almost didn't believe me when I said "wull, it's me" then they're like "oh I thought it was a dude who'd done it". In fact, I had another artist ask me once if I had a lot of people think I was a dude and I was sort of "well not as much until today but yeah". When it comes to online stuff I get it a lot too, especially on the sites I post the more porn-y work. It's always manny men or men on men so they think I'm a man just extrordinarily gay. Not really sure what straight ladies are supposed to draw, flowers and bunny rabbits?

Also I get a lot of people asking if I've painted my car (which I have, it's got dudes and monsters on it) and they get really confused when I say "yeah" and it takes them a tick to realize I'm a lady (short hair and a six foot stature does that when you can't see my tits).

Uh, so: yes.
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 09:17 pm (UTC)
It seems strange to me that someone would say: "oh I thought it was a dude who'd done it" after they found out you were the artist. It's almost seems they don't believe you, they act like it wold be easier for you to change your gender than it would for them to change their expectations.

Your car sounds cool.
(no subject) - stablercake on April 6th, 2010 09:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
.a jorb well done.: || life partners ||rakugaking on April 6th, 2010 12:44 am (UTC)
wonderful work once again, rebecca =) i will never get tired of seeing your inking technique! i'm trying out a bit more myself, but definitely need time to get used to hehe.

as for your question -- way back when, a few people who are now my friends first thought i was a female. one of the reasons were because i always chatted with them in a very polite manner [that always struck me as a strange thing to equate that quality with only females!]. then years down the line when i finally came out to friends and my family, it was a bit of a surprise to some because a great deal of my art consisted of scantily clad women. some thought i was joking...

personally, i have a lot of favorites when it comes to what i like to draw and what i would like to draw in the future. i know quite a few fellas who enjoy drawing incredibly cutesy things, and a few gals who draw some extremely wonderful guro themed stuff.
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 09:32 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much Rakugaking for the great post.

I'm surprised people assumed, because you were polite, that you were a girl and not Canadian:)

You bring up a very interesting point about how people expect you to be sexually attracted to what you draw. Robin, for instance, draws what turns him on, he's viewing his id, however, for me it's more that I'm projecting myself into my images, seeing things that I'm not, but would like to be.
Kiel Westwestival on April 6th, 2010 02:23 am (UTC)
Wait, aren't all artists super advanced, genderless beings?

Q: When you scan a piece such as this lovely one, I'm assuming this is in grayscale? (as opposed to a b/w lineart scan)?

Just curious, I've been watercoloring my cartoons and I'm having to think really hard about scanning all of the sudden.
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 09:40 pm (UTC)
Busted! You're right, we all have smoothy-spots. Genatalia is for lower life forms.

I scan in grayscale at 300 dpi tif. Theres a setting for my printer that says: document or photo. I use the document setting for pen and ink and the photo setting for colour and graphite drawings. However, I think it just boils down to the quality of your scanner, mines a piece of poo.
(no subject) - westival on April 6th, 2010 09:51 pm (UTC) (Expand)
jordyn f bochonyfrontninja on April 6th, 2010 04:33 am (UTC)
Beautiful, as always!

I've also often been mistaken as a man, because of my name mostly. It's always funny to meet someone who had known my stuff on the internet before and thought I was a guy. HA! The sad thing is, some part of me takes it as a compliment for being able to draw better (like, how saying a girl runs like a boy actually means she can run ok). It's all funny to me since I spend a lot of time drawing androgynous people.
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
Thanks Jordyn!

Your totally right, there's a streak of satisfaction when you're mistaken for a male that somehow you're more technically proficient. Then there's the gratification that you just mind fucked someone. *giggle*
(no subject) - JamielovesMary Kingma on April 20th, 2011 01:09 pm (UTC) (Expand)
sloanecraqued on April 6th, 2010 05:39 am (UTC)
yea its definitely strange and interesting topic.

for me personally, i am horribly androgynous and somehow my art mimics that. i get confused for a girl or guy by my drawings alone.

i was thinking though, i mentioned to brandon graham that his and marian churchlands drawing styles seem gender swapped. brandon draws real rounded and cute (but with 'male' subject matter) while marian draws scratchy and stiff (but with more 'fem' subject matter, since i see mostly women from her). her style does have a really gentle feminine feel though.

i kind of have advantage in how people perceive me/my art because i myself am kind of a confusing gender so, i dont know. ive noticed some people seem to like/respect me/my art more if they think im a boy but as a girl they seem more...weirded out. quite curious.
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 10:11 pm (UTC)
Your very right about Brandon and Marian's styles looking gender-swapped, however I find the "energy" of their work to be spot on (just like you mentioned).

When I worked in animation, all the women I worked with were amazingly, brilliantly talented, now, I worked with super-talented men as well, but there were also guys who were mediocre at best. It seemed like the standard for female artists was much higher.
Maxine Frankdandydevildog on April 6th, 2010 07:49 am (UTC)
Amazing drawing! Is it wrong to think it's kinda hot? Oh well.

I think my drawing style, because of the heavy anime influence from when I was younger, is still seen as fairly "girly". Especially in how I draw women. Weirdly enough, one of the few instances of being mistaken for a male artist was because of my username. I guess the assumption was that dogs are masculine? Who knows.
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 6th, 2010 10:12 pm (UTC)
Thanks Max. I think it's kinda hot.

Yes, all dogs are boys and all cats are girls.
fearlessfosdickfearlessfosdick on April 10th, 2010 02:57 am (UTC)
Happy Birthday Rebecca!
This piece is awesome as usual. But I mainly wanted to post to say Happy Birthday!

Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 10th, 2010 06:09 pm (UTC)
Re: Happy Birthday Rebecca!
AW... thanks Steve. I'm old.
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Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 10th, 2010 06:10 pm (UTC)
Thank so much! You're a sweetheart!
AVIV spelled backwards is VIVA.aviv_really on April 10th, 2010 02:34 pm (UTC)
Hey, happy b-day!
Have a good one!
Rebecca Dartr_dart on April 10th, 2010 06:13 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I will have a good one. A friend is taking me out to lunch and then we're going to roller derby and then I'm gonna drink lots of whiskey and weep.